To think that youre so desperate to troll Braves fans youd pretend you remembered something from 6 years ago that a small minority of Braves fans may/may not have ever said. 36. He will receive an extra year of service time for that. Sure, lofty but possible. For someone like me who can only watch my team on national broadcasts due to the unavailability of my teams cable channel at a decent price, getting to watch them on TV (instead of settling for the radio like usual) a few extra times a season thanks to the Apple deal is great. Props to the AA coaching staff. Only long term deal we signed was lindor who is young in his prime. Talent and stats should already give a higher floor, they arent going to double that for the Julios, Adleys, and Spencers of the world. I hope we dont give Swanson more than 3 years, even if the AAV has to be high. Very much doubt it. Cost of living adjustments are more for your average person. If you dont you price yourself out of future contracts by playing the waiting game. Sure, they have control of Fried/Wright (even via arb), but Strider is the first long-term arm. Strider is a lock to be Top 2 in ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. Everything can be considered in arbitration. Period. It happens, occasionally. Meanwhile Cohen will spend even more and have a $400 mil opening day payroll lol. This was a pretty high gamble on the risk/reward scale. Cole has stated since he was in UCLA that he was a Yankee fan and wanted to be in pinstripes when he grew up, he was even drafted by the Yankees and chose college ball, but said it was a tough choice and hoped hed end up there eventually. There are so many reasons this could go bad and we arent even talking about the new pitch clock, the pickoff throw rules, and other changes to the game itself. Defending Champs and your slotted at Get Away games. Dont know what thats worth, but its not nothin. Look what Gerrit Cole was able to get. And And. Draft No, hes *NOT* a Super Two candidate. If you look at the Braves team what they have done extremely well is develop players. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. If he spent all of 2022 in the majors then assuming he doesnt get sent down at all next year he will have exactly 2 years of service time after 2023. AND he sells a lot of tickets and merchandise. Lets not get silly and act like the Braves ran away with it and were disrespected. If you wait a year or two and he continues to pitch well, then his pricetag doubles. Browse our online application for MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, EPL, or MLS player contracts, salaries, transactions, and more. While Ive never done a comparison, I do believe they probably are the least fan-friendly. Estimate 2023 Retained Salaries Leftover salaries from players who have been traded or released, or buyouts for declined options. (Age 22-338d, Yes, they get one or two free agent years in exchange, but thats not enough to make up for those heavily expensive arb years in the deal. Because of their long-term deals, they are already approaching their cap limit and for that reason will only be able to add Swanson or a frontline pitcher like DeGrom. Sunday Funday is here, which means fantasy baseball waiver claims are, too. 5-to-1 Strider has TJ surgery again in the next 5 years. Worst case for Strider is close to what happened with Charlie Morton this year, and guess what? This is a big market spending club unfortunately, And Clayton Kershaw was going to sign with the Rangers cuz hes a local guy. Bigger pitchers hold up better, thicker pitchers hold up better. Wonder why they stupid overpay for him? He started the season in Atlanta. 22,552nd in major league history) Ya this was a massive overpay for his final 2 arb years even if they get 2028 and an option for 29. It doesnt pertain to him except for bonus money. "EXTENDED @Braves have signed RHP Spencer Strider to a six year contract extension worth $75M. The risks are present, but the reward is fantastic, not to mention that it gives you the inside track in a few years to talk a further extension. Disagree on my mets. Itll be a long time before someone gets a deal over $35M/yr and 7-years long. Spencer Strider is still a rookie in the Atlanta Braves, but he's got the potential to become a professional. Same for TrumboJumbo w/the Angels and Yankee Clipper w/the Yanks. YOU HAVE 20,000 FOLLOWERS: $100 per post at a $5/CPM. Sure there is a chance that the Braves might save $20 million plus if Strider becomes an ace, but they are far more likely to waste $20 million plus if he doesnt. He had two pre-arb years left and then 3 arb years before the extension. As a Mets fan, I hate what the Braves are doing. Shewmake is about ready though and they could sign a veteran cheap to platoon with him or just keep Dansby and use Shewmake as trade bait. If youre going to give out a big extension like this, you should wait until after hes played three years or at least two to make sure hes for real, especially if youre only getting one or two free agent years in exchange. Super Twos are players who barely missed the full year. $12M (2025) Yeah, selling tickets is all that matters. Please login to leave a reply. This is the opposite of the Acuna and Albies deals, this wasnt just stupid for the Braves, it will hurt every small market team who will no longer be able to lock up their young players to team friendly deals, so they can remain competitive. If you do not allow these cookies we will not know when you have visited our site, and will not be able to monitor its performance. Sunday marked the first time Strider had thrown off a mound since his Sept. 18 start against Philadelphia. @Run. The Braves have to account for that in their offer. Pads Fan. Just cause they run this site doesnt mean they have some secret gift to know where players will sign and I never had a doubt he was headed there, since he was a Pirate. Site occasionally posts comments multiple times. The information does not usually directly identify you, but it can give you a more personalised web experience. A contract representing mutual respect is a good thing. So the Braves just paid $35 mil for 1 free agent year of Strider, set* Im not getting an edit button for some reason. Click on the different category headings to find out more and change our default settings. Salary Spencer Strider's salary is $710,000 per year, which includes a $0 signing bonus. Lets say $30 mil for year 3. Braves put RHP Strider on IL with oblique strain, Scherzer tries to test pitch clock limits, gets balk, Jays' Guerrero to miss WBC with inflamed knee, Rangers, LHP Smith agree to 1-year, $1.5M deal, 7 Cubs combine for 1st spring no-no since 2017, Jays 'playing it safe' after Guerrero tweaks knee, PitchCom-tipping: Loud device leaks Twins calls, Eflin's first start after $40M deal impresses Rays. Sure, its risky, but theyve gotten some historic numbers in a rookie season already from Strider. The Braves pay their 1.66 mil per season regardless for that. Use without license or authorization is expressly prohibited. $14M (2026) Strider is now under contract with the Braves [] That kind of evaluation has gotten the Tigers and Red Sox stuck w/those two. With the shift going away, how can anyone think Olsons production is going to go down is beyond me. Name a team who hasnt had pitchers whove fallen apart. You cant because thats the nature of pitchingas DTD said above.. Braves obviously feel Striders an outlier in that respect. Agree MFF. You are going in with an assumption that he will absolutely get it. I know the first few years here are cheap, but still . In any case, thats not one of the issues with this contract. "My goal is always to outperform any expectations," Strider said. Drafting and developing pitchers is a crap shoot no doubt and Atlanta has had their failures along the way. First of all, hes not a Super Two candidate, and even if he was, the Braves would have another year of control to where he wouldnt be a free agent until after 2028. If he spent the whole season on the major league roster he is definitely NOT a Super Two. Yep. Albies was cheap and smart. Strider will make $4 million by 2025, with $1 million going to each of the next two seasons. Imagine if they wouldve locked up Soroka. . With the holiday weekend underway, let's look for some sparkler It does, however, mean the Braves get an extra draft pick. Olson, Riley, Harris, and Strider are all reasonable balances between risk and reward for both the players and the team. This was risky to me as well. We will gladly take him, throw in 20 million of his salary as well since you feel as though youve overpaid for him? SARASOTAWhat's happening? He quickly established himself as one of the teams hardest fastball players. They are respected as a team on the field, but not as a market. Because he is going to be in top 2 of ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. Does AA hypnotize these guys agents when theyre in the waiting room? I agree on Riley, but Harris and Strider seemed to sign for cheap. Spencer Schwellenbach, RHP 10. They paid $75 million for $102 million worth of his services based on your numbers. A year ago, the Super 2 status was set a 2 years and 116 days, which is about normal, even low in recent years with most Super 2 status cutoffs falling in the 130s. Great for Strider too, because he locks in generational guaranteed money. Strider played collegiate summer baseball for the Falmouth Commodores of the Cape Cod Baseball League in 2018. So by that logic, if you are making $500K/year, you would buy a Snickers bar for $10 because you have lots of money? Sorry for the redundancy the message from the site was confusing. Even if you assume he will get less than Soto for whatever reason, then $7+mm, $14+mm, $22+mm, and $30+mm is extremely reasonable. Talent evaluation, competent analysis, and a decent memory arent your strong suits. Revenue in baseball is going up and salaries will also. Get over it already, your team choked, you should be used to Choketober and Choketember by now. @ice. Anyone signing him to a Story like deal feels like a major overpay. Spencer Strider signed a 6 year / $75,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Braves, including $75,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,500,000. $200 per post at $10/CPM. Spencer Strider and the Plant-Based Diet When Strider was 19, he was diagnosed with high blood pressure something rather uncommon for a young athlete. @RunDMC Bingo. They were 6.5 games ahead of the Braves on August 7. I get it on the scheduling side by MLB but come on. There were talks mentioned in August and no deal was done. Then again, I also had concerns with Baez, who has a higher degree of volatility due to his approach. Already Subscribed? Theyre both at hpme.. And Strider got lit up, choking in the only important game hes ever pitched in. If he has any hope of living up to this contract, Strider will have to play the whole year on the MLB roster for 2023 without injuries. Im confident youve been subjected to it countless times. Now the baseball world is looking forward to what he could do while serving as a starter over an entire season. Outside revenue sources will be adjusted when available after the regular season. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/super-two-status-set-at-2-116-years-of-service.html. ~$22M (Arb3) Know it all..not no-it-all. Imo, you made a reasonable case for your trade evaluation w/out the amateur psychological evaluation. I feel good, and hopefully, it keeps trending in that direction.. Salaries Awards Draft Leaderboards Cards Proper Name: Spencer Robert Strider High Level: MLB (2021-2022) Positions: P (55) Height: 6-0 Weight: 195 Bats: Right Throws: Right Born: Oct 28,1998 age: 24.116 place: Columbus,OH High School: Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville,TN) colleges: Clemson University (Clemson,SC), Drafted: Injuries are 75% covered by insurance in Columbus, OH His salary will jump to $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 20216 and $22 million in 2027 and 2028. The Prime games are not really an inconvenience since I have Prime. Im a Braves fan who believes that there are plenty of fans of other teams who have common sense, knowledge, and good manners. the Commanders released Wentz in a cost-cutting measure that will save Washington $26.17 million against the 2023 salary cap. There is no amount of rationalizing that can excuse that. You also dont know whether he took the extension in order to lock up significant money, as a hedge against injury, or because he and his agent wanted to advance pitcher salaries for others. Spencer Strider currently plays position Starting Pitcher for Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball, the senior baseball league in the United States. Swanson has not been nearly as good as Baez was prior to signing with the Tigers. And because he will likely finish top 2 in the ROY balloting, he would have been credited with a full year of service time in 2022 even if the Braves had tried to Kris Bryant him. They have a big part of their core locked up for years and have set themselves on the path to being contenders for the next five years minimum. Jealousys an ugly emotion. Obviously Strider is going to take the guaranteed money because that takes care of his family for generations. You make deals based on current results and future expectations. Figuring he sets records all along the way: $1M (2023) His option is for $28M instead of $35M (still a stupid number) and suppose this is all true, Then they are taking on 6 years of risk and hoping that he becomes a inner-circle HOF pitcher without injuries over the next 6 years, so they can save $20M on his age 29 and 30 seasons? But not to worry, I did that for you. Extra year for Roy. . The Mets won 101 games and tied the Braves for the division. Not great to sign long term deals to declining players. If i was om shark tank and im Mark cuban right now im clapping! That will fall far short of the top 22 percent. Considering the current model, I wouldnt bank on $20M coming from the final arb year and that leaves $27.5M/year for the two free agent seasons. Clemson's top freshman in 2018, but missed 2019 due to injury returned in 2020 as a weekend starter had one of the hardest fastballs on the team was both a long reliever and starter three-time ACC Academic Honor Roll member in 63.0 innings pitched over 26 appearances (10 starts) and two active seasons, he had a 5-2 record . You are right about Striders value potentially increasing. Average MLB salary rose to record $4.22M in '22. He'll be paid a $4MM salary in 2025 before jumping to . The Braves are collecting talent at bargain prices, while the Marlins are paying too much for Avi Garcia and Jorge Soler, The Mets will pay a ton for for Brandon Sir Only Walks And Nothing Else Nimmo, the Phillies are paying a fortune to Harper who is the Carmelo Anthony of baseball (OK, but much better), and the Nats can no longer get stars to sign with them. If Striders arb awards are similar, the Braves are then getting his 2 FA years for 26m, total, without having to buy a long deal including Striders decline. Pads Fans spends 5 hours a day commenting from multiple accounts and STILL doesnt know how Super Two works. I cannot wait for the Braves/Phillies series to start in a few hours. will he ever be that good again? By comparison the Mariners sign Castillo at roughly $22M/year with a $5M option if he needs TJ surgery in the last 3 years with 80% of the contract covering FA years and coming with a similar option year. Full-year historical Major League statistics provided by Pete Palmer and Gary Gillette of Hidden Game Sports. He wasnt before 2020. If you give 7 a six year deal that takes him through his age 35 season. The Apple TV games are absolutely free to watch, no paid subscription required and no blackouts on the service itself! Its all Monopoly money past a certain point and this core has dynasty potential. Hes not 65 and 230 lbs. The facts say you are wrong. Dont see how it could be an issue. Thats an unlikely worst case for a phenomenal SP, but its there. The Braves have extended yet another key member of their impressive young core, this time announcing a six-year, $75MM contract for right-hander Spencer Strider. So as to illustrate this, Jacob DeGroms arb years: $4M (2017), $7.5M (2018), $17M (2019) LMFAO. Were talking about a position player who finished top 5 MVP both seasons leading into the arb years. They are usually only set in response to actions made by you which amount to a request for services, such as setting your privacy preferences, logging in or filling in forms. Strider will absolutely get a raise from his last arbitration year, so even a modest raise means the Braves save $20 ++ million in those two seasons alone. To be totally honest, its not the least bit justifiable in any light. 2024: minimum Only if its a Top-2 mustache, and it is. Swanson is probably walking. AA is saving money collectively and signing his core players. Thats $25 mil. Data Provided By I disagree. Awkward, weak arm, slap happy hitter whose approach doesnt fit the Braves high exit velo crush the ball approach. Anyone who signs Judge will definitely regret that deal in a couple years! Strider was added to the Atlanta active roster on October 1, 2021, and made his main league debut with one inning of relief against the New York Mets. He played college baseball for the Clemson Tigers, and was drafted by the Atlanta Braves in the fourth round of the 2020 Major League Baseball Draft. Explain to me the worth in that? Name those Braves fans who felt that way. If thats the key, then they failed, since theyre significantly overpaying for those arb years. What would 2 years of Cole cost, instead of 9/324m? Draft: Drafted by the Cleveland Indians in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB June Amateur Draft from Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN) and the Atlanta Braves in the 4th round of the 2020 MLB June Amateur Draft from Clemson University (Clemson, SC). They might not be able to re-sign Swanson because of this deal adding $15M to the cap due to his cap adjusted salary and if they do, they no longer can pursue DeGrom or another big named pitcher. As usual, i was right. Not going to roast you on Sewmake, Mercenary, but imo theres no possibility of him being considered as a viable replacement for Swanson. Shewmakes going to be lucky to carve out a career as a utility player for a 2nd Division team. . AAs notoriously quiet when negotiating. Hes going to get over paid by somebody. 3.04 ERA 8.7 K/9. If his option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million over seven years. Every FA in Swansons class is going to be more expensive than he will. $43m for nothing. Will make luxury tax teams wary of him. Its an expensive extension by prior standards, but as I noted in the finalized version of our breakdown, the prior standards were beyond antiquated. Why to constant trashing of the Mets when both teams won 101 games. Hey, do you think the Braves bite the bullet and pay Swanson? Or write about sports? $8M (2025) Signed thru 2028, 6 yrs/$75M (23-28) & 29 team option, Service Time (01/2023): 1.003 Well put DMC. Fantasy baseball: Which prospects have fantasy value in 2023? Has to be mostly geographic. Super Two only applies when they have at least approximately 2/3 of a year of service time but less than a full season to where the team gets almost seven years of control (like the infamous Kris Bryant example) instead of slightly over six as in Striders case. Speak for yourself. Its a horrible deal, set your expectations to hate it now, so you are less annoyed in 3 years. The Braves announced a six-year contract extension for Rookie of the Year candidate Spencer Strider. FF fired his agent. 2. Absolutely bham. Another problem is the harder you throw, the more stress you put on your arm and the more likely you are to get injured. Angels were very much in the running for Cole. They lost Acuna and won a WS. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance To an SP, well, it seems awfully risky. The Atlanta #Braves today signed RHP Charlie Morton to a one-year contract worth $20 million for the 2023 season, with a $20 million club option for 2024 that does not include a buyout. Your login session has expired. Theyll probably lose even more money on those years than they gain with the discount on the one or two free agent years, which probably would only be worth $30M max per season even if everything goes mostly right for him. The lot of before money is hopeful at best. Scores from any date in Major League history, Minor, Foreign, College, & Black Baseball, Frequently Asked Questions about MLB and Baseball, Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREE. Hes been a great pitcher so far, but he still really only has two pitches. You know how you can tell you are wrong? To be fair, the Apple games are absolutely free for anyone to watch and with no blackouts, so thats not one of the bad deals. If the Braves can reposition themselves as Americas Team once again, all that peach juice will come flowing back. The extra year of service time for Top 2 in ROY voting means that combined with his full season on the Braves roster in 2022, Strider would be entering 2024 as Super Two eligible and the Braves would have a year less control. Even if you assume he will make 15% less than Soto and other top players that were Super Two, that means he will make $75-78 million for the one remaining pre-arb season and 4 arbitration seasons. I rather prefer people dont respect the Braves. You have? The contract, which covers the 2023-28 seasons, also contains a $22MM club option for the 2029 season. even $50M. The Braves and Mets both won 101 games. Yeah, if he ends up being average, its definitely an overpay. Its just false. Shouldnt you still be ranting about how the Division race was over in May? That 4th year is going to be around $30 million and his FA is going to be more than that. Does he love ATL to the tune of forgoing, say, $50 million? If Spencer doesnt get any better than he currently is, hes still an ace. Bauer was coming off a season with a 4.19 ERA and had a 4.36 ERA in parts of 6 MLB seasons when he first hit arbitration. Then add in the two FA years the Braves control at $22 million each, and this deal is great for the Braves. Striders been out for close to a month recovering from a mild oblique strain. He hasnt even extended Fried yet, and this reeks of him knee-jerking his reaction to Fried probably not wanting to talk about extensions and him wishing he wouldve done something a couple years ago. Hes a big union guy. And so in that way, I don't feel any pressure. Bogaerts took an immensely friendly deal.. https://community.fangraphs.com/velocity-and-the-likelihood-of-tommy-john-surgery/. Are you trying to evade someone or are you incapable of understanding the difference between elude and allude. Theres another alternative of simply waiting an extra year or two to have a much better grasp on whether these young stars are for real before extending them (as well as not handing out massive overpays for their arbitration years). Except theyre going up against the Yankees time slots. What about Georgias racist voting rights? And no, he does not get credited with two years of service time for this year because he spent the whole year on the major league roster AND was a ROY finalist. If his contact rate and barrel rate drops a little, his strikeout total will skyrocket even higher and his homeruns will fall off a cliff. Its a league funded thing that every team will chip into $1.66 mil regardless. Spencer Strider has a net worth of $1,167,934. Spencer Robert Strider (born October 28, 1998) is an American professional baseball pitcher for the Atlanta Braves of Major League Baseball (MLB). This information might be about you, your preferences or your device and is mostly used to make the site work as you expect it to. Look at the alternative, pay for TOR stuff like DET did in the offseason with Rodriguez (5 years/77M) and he was AWOL for much of the season in the 1st year of his deal. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. Sure lets look at a guy that posts a mid-.800 OPS and has a proven track record of premium pitching success and just assume thats where Strider would fall in five years?! older demographic) are even able to do that? When you visit any web site, it may store or retrieve information on your browser, mostly in the form of cookies. If the right billionaire acquired them and they signed say Judge, Trea and Arenado, this would be one truly awesome team and their payroll would still be less than several other teams. Harris hasnt played a season and Olson will be an albatross if a deal in 2 years. /s, Id use the Baez contract as a baseline 23AAV over 6. Dynasty. Should just stop there because even mentioning that website shows a complete disconnection from reality. Lordy the braves are waaaaay ahead of the curve in finding talent. Atlanta Braves rookie pitcher Spencer Strider had himself a day against the Reds on Saturday - he struck out 11 hitters in just six innings of work and got the win to improve to 4-2 on the. I watched my home team in my home market on it myself without paying a dime or being blacked out. Factor in the Braves are assuming all of the risk hell continue to pitch at an elite level for 5 straight years to top it off, which is no guarantee. While I did admire Matt Harvey in his early prime he really did a lot of stupid things. If he reaches his potential, sure if you want to believe that, but not on a long-term deal for a 30-year-old pitcher. Even if he does remain this good in a best case scenario, he would only approach the amount hes being guaranteed over those 2 pre-arb years and 3 arb years, and the team should get a significant discount on those arb years in such an early career extension, anyway. Anyone who can sign up to a website and verify a second factor of authorization can do it. For that to be a reasonable number requires him to stay healthy for the whole contract, which would lower his free agent value as it would almost assuredly mean he will have some form of arm injury. Question, Comment, Feedback, or Correction? Kris Bryant and Cody Bellinger were Super Twos, for instance, being arb eligible four times as opposed to the usual three. If the 2029 option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million. $140 per post at $7/CPM. Its not their young pitching, its pitching in general. We have tools and resources that can help you use sports data. Only a bust if he needs TJ or other major surgery in a year or two. Braves fans awoke on Monday looking forward to learning more about Striders health and potential availability during the NLDS. Without me teaching you how trade valuations are correctly built, I cant debate with because I think so, I have to explain how I got that answer. Same. 1st year $7.225 mm Weve seen PLENTY of great rookie seasons by SP and most of the time they dont last 3 more years of that elite level. Nonetheless, as weve seen with young position players in recent years, the market for these types of extensions can still advance rapidly. Striders is fine assuming he doesnt turn into what every Atlanta farm system pitcher turns into, which is garbage in 3 years. The more Atlanta does this, the higher the likelihood that at least one of these extensions ends up not working out for the team in the long run. His first full year starting he had a 4.02 ERA. I think its going to bite them in a few years, when they realize the quality of the product is declining. Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREEYour All-Access Ticket to the Baseball Reference Database. By Steve Adams | October 10, 2022 at 11:03pm CDT. Spencer Strider made last year. Since 2020 was a short season lets take the last 4 seasons. He will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time not even close to the top 22% of players in his class. You just need to have an Apple account and either a computer or smartphone to access the verification code. Acuna had a 41/37 season after he signed, and was in his way to winning the MVP last year before the injury.
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